It was started by a Mouse.

[AcadieLibre]

I am not sure if any of you have seen this image, it is Mickey Mouse doll laying on his back after and Israeli Air-strike during the 2006 Israeli/Lebanese War. NY Times writer and Academy Award Winning Film maker Errol Morris interviews the Reuters war Photographer Ben Curtis about that picture as there had been allegations he had staged the shot. Great in depth interview. Well worth the read. I gives a very interesting perspective about being a current day War Photographer.

Part One

Part Two

[Michaelaw]

Good stuff, thanks for the link.

[Marko]

Yup a very good read. Thx for the link.

I think lots of war shots are likely embellished/staged by the photographer's own actions. I'm not sure that's s big deal though so long as the "whole" scene was not staged.

I mean there was an explosion, people died rubble everywhere. The photographer finds Mickey mouse in point A and puts it in front of the rubble at point B. The rubble was still there, the explosion still happened, people still died. But now the photograph is more compelling because Mickey is in the foreground...

For me that's way less dishonest than cloning in a second fighter plane to make the shot more interesting.. Then again, reality and honesty are very personal concepts these days.

[kat]

Very interesting!

[AcadieLibre]

Well glad some of you enjoyed it, I really do not think it was staged based on what he said and if he was going to stage it would have been a far better placement, but we all come to our own conclusions and unless proved otherwise I always take the side of the photographer.

[Marko]

I don't think THIS photographer staged the shot...I totally give him the benefit of the doubt.

But look at all the 'other' near identical shots...I'd bet hard that some of those were staged. Let's be real...It's like the other shots copied this guy's successful formula. You see this in movies and TV all of the time...They all copy each other because the formula works.

Again, I don't really find anything wrong with this type of 'staging'...

[AcadieLibre]

Oh the other photographers I agree, but since none of them were interviewed or refused I think something is up, so I stuck the photographer who spoke, all the others I have my suspicions and since they refused to be interviewed heightens my suspicion even more.


P.S. I have a huge issue with war zone or other media staging the shot, it takes away from what they really saw and it can be used for propaganda purposes. A news photographer should always shoot what he sees and never stage the shot, it is supposed to an accurate portrayal of the story, once you stage you have contaminated the scene, it is not longer a shot from a photojournalist. It makes people not trust photographers covering real news, staging is abhorrent.

[Marko]

I have a huge issue with war zone or other media staging the shot, it takes away from what they really saw and it can be used for propaganda purposes. A news photographer should always shoot what he sees and never stage the shot, it is supposed to an accurate portrayal of the story, once you stage you have contaminated the scene, it is not longer a shot from a photojournalist. It makes people not trust photographers covering real news, staging is abhorrent.

I'd agree with you in a Utopian world but nobody lives there.

Just so it's clear, the type of staging I'm referring to involves Kicking the Mickey Mouse doll in front of the rubble when it may have been 15 feet out of position. BRINGING that same Mickey Mouse doll TO the scene, that's fraud imo.

[casil403]

So for me that begs the question...is photojournalism art or are the two completely separate genres?
Can one be the other and if so when?
When does one become the other....when an object is moved to stage a scene or enhance a mood/feeling the person is trying to convey?
What do you consider these images?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising...ag_on_Iwo_Jima
Raising the Flag at Ground Zero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The second one the flag was brought in from a yacht on the Hudson River so does that make it photojournalism or art?

Just curious mostly on your thoughts and to start some discussion.

[Marko]

It's a very good question Casil. Not sure we should tackle it here though in A.L.'s thread or it's own thread. I have definite opinions on the matter