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    Quote Originally Posted by JAS_Photo View Post
    And you agree with that? Or was that satire? Does a photographer have to be able to photograph everything to be a "photographer"? Some photographers specialize in landscapes, others portraits, others product photography. Does that make them hacks? If a photographer has a concept and hires the models and stylists for the shoots, does that make him any the less the photographer? Setting up the lighting for these shots, alone takes some great degree of skill and knowledge.

    Gosh here is another hack. psshah.

    I don't agree with her statement but I understand what she was trying to say. She basically was saying Adams had no eye other than landscapes. Annie Leibovitz basically does one type of photography and is probably one of the best in the world in portraits, but if she sucks at candid or landscape(not saying she is, never seen her other work), does it make her a hack? No, just her skill level differs from genre to genre.

    The video you posted, there is the photographer and light man. I don't consider these "staged" images. Hair, make up, & outfit are nothing special. Most of what you see in the images at the end of the video are from the photographer, not a photographer, make up artist, set designer, etc

    We have gotten off the topic I brought up, staged vs free lance (an entire crew vs lone photographer).

    I said in my first post in this thread, I felt the designers of the sets, hair and make up artist, costume designer had a greater impact on the images than the photographer. The video you posted, the photographer had nearly all impact on the images.
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    I would agree if that were a commercial shoot, where the concept, sets, make-up and design was put together by an art director, but there are a lot of photographers out there who are artists in their own right and hire the models, stylists and sets to accomplish the concept they have in mind. In that case, the photographer is the artist and they deserve the credit. In this case the photographer is most likely highly accomplished at photoshop as well. 1x.com is full of concept photographers for example.
    Peter Kemp being a prime example:

    http://1x.com/member/peterkemp

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    http://www.peterkemp.nl/

    The reason I chose the McNally clip is to show that there are lots of people involved in even his shoots which look very unstaged quite often. And yes he has stylists and hair dressers as well.

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    I would disagree with your BW teacher AT. Most people, myself included consider Adams a Master.
    He co-invented the Zone system for God's sake and I've been lucky enough to see prints of his up close. They are fab. They sing. Other photographers' works also sing due to Adams techniques. His work is of the HIGHEST quality.

    It's like Saying Rembrandt was a hack because he only used one type of light. (that was named after him...lol)

    But we are getting off topic. The Mcnally video clearly has a team of people working for him. i think that's off topic too.

    Anyway, I'd like to see other pros get the credit when they have made a tremendous impact on the image and this happens mostly in the fashion world.... it would be nice but I never expect it.

    This one person getting all the credit phenomenon is just part of life. Architects, Conductors, Directors....same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    I would disagree with your BW teacher AT. Most people, myself included consider Adams a Master.
    He co-invented the Zone system for God's sake and I've been lucky enough to see prints of his up close. They are fab. They sing. Other photographers' works also sing due to Adams techniques. His work is of the HIGHEST quality.
    Yeah, I we alittle shocked when she said it myself. Apparently, thats the only thing I remember from that class. She now teaches private classes at the camera shop that I shop at all the time now. She is a street photographer, with kind of a shock art style. At that time, Adams was my favorite artist, so it really stung me.
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    No prob - that's what makes the world fun He also made portraits - fab ones. Off topic again - gotta stop.
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    I am digging the Facebook post you did today on Ansel Adams
    "The worst thing about taking a great image is that your next one has to be better!"

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    Marko, I did not see your FB post. I would be interested to see it. Could you please add the link here? My newsfeed is pretty busy

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAS_Photo View Post
    I would agree if that were a commercial shoot, where the concept, sets, make-up and design was put together by an art director, but there are a lot of photographers out there who are artists in their own right and hire the models, stylists and sets to accomplish the concept they have in mind. In that case, the photographer is the artist and they deserve the credit. In this case the photographer is most likely highly accomplished at photoshop as well. 1x.com is full of concept photographers for example.Peter Kemp being a prime example
    I'm with you all the way, JAS. I can't think of a better example of artistic vision than that of this hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barefoot View Post
    I'm with you all the way, JAS. I can't think of a better example of artistic vision than that of this hack.
    I had to find the movie online and watch it.

    The movie is showing on Netflix right now, if anyone is interested in watching it. I found it fascinating and really, this photographer deserves his own thread for discussion.

    http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Gr...nters/70251860
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