I think B&H has a little camera shop in Manhattan you might find interesting. :)
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I think B&H has a little camera shop in Manhattan you might find interesting. :)
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Oooooh :clap: I just got their catalogue this week.....sigh....so many toys.....so little $$$ :wall-an:
that's just 4 blocks from my hotel!!!! I will journey on over there.Quote:
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thanks Raiven!
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would you miss me?
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You're still here?? ;)Quote:
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now my feelings are hurt
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I'm telling!
"Marko!! Steve isn't acknowledging my presence!!" :rolleyes: You sound like my sister!! :headslap:Quote:
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Hahahahahaha... sheesh, you two should find a stage. I swear it's Abbot and Costello ;)
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I did not! Besides ... She looked at me!! :mad: :)Quote:
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Would you two settle down, I don't want to have to turn this website around.Quote:
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sorry Greg. I'll try to behave http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5100.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg_Nuspel
I just wanted to give everyone a big :thankyou: for all the help they have been offering me on this purchase.
the one that I still have not made up my mind on yet :wall-an:
between this and the B&H store thread I am getting a lot of useful information.
it's just such a big decision..... :confused: so I want to make sure I've thought it all through.
still leaning towards the nikon......but the sony is nice...and then there's pentax, canon and olympus oh my!
although, Marko had a good point in his podcast on lenses, that the best place to spend good money is on lenses rather then the body.....
Yes, it's such a hard decision isn't it? At some point you just go with your gut and/or heart cuz the brain gets overloaded. Marko's point about the glass being the place to invest is a strong one, and since all the brands have strengths and maybe weaknesses, if you are serious about your photography long term and can see that passion leading you to accumulate a reasonable collection of lenses, then you might look more at the prices and selection of lenses in making your decision.
I've already made a case for Pentax in that regard, but their some of their new lenses have got quite expensive after some recent price hikes.
But FWIW if I was starting out again, from scratch, and if I wanted to stick with one of the big two brands (Canon, Nikon) for whatever reason, and if I was on a tight budget (under $1000, for example), I would probably go with a Canon digital Rebel and kit lens for now and then save for other quality lenses in the future. The reason I say this is that Canon L lenses are much more reasonably priced than Nikon's upper tier glass. And there is quite a nice variety. The top of the line Canon flash is also much more affordable than Nikons.
Remember, you always should budget for at least another $100 or so on top of your kit for memory and maybe even an extra battery. Plus you might need a bag, etc. It all adds up pretty quickly.
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Originally Posted by F8&Bthere
Bambi ... IF you know how long you are intending to keep this camera setup then that might influence your decision.
For instance, if you feel that this is a stepping stone, and in a couple of years you'll be looking at upgrading to better again then perhaps just getting the best kit you can for the money you can save is all you need to worry about. You can then totally change the setup in a couple of years and either sell this or keep it as a spare.
In this case, any of these options will serve you well in my opinion in this group. The Nikon has that better ISO advantage with the flip screen which I know you will use. However, the Pentax might still give you more options for still buying some cheap lenses to add to the arsenal during that time as others have mentioned.
However, if you feel that you will definitely keep this body you choose for many years and then gradually buy better lenses as years roll on, then you need to be sure of the body you are buying now.
In this case the Nikon D5000 is the most advanced I can see in this group. The downside, as F8 mentions is the price of some of the top lenses. But then I only buy Canon's L Series lenses when I have no other option for the features I want because I rarely see the difference in quality from their lesser range anyhow.
The Canon Rebels are just damn good all rounders. You wouldn't be unhappy with one.
I'm not partial to Sony but it's probably because I don't know a lot about them so the long term SLR brands like Canon, Nikon and Pentax, Olympus etc are more appealing to me.
Hope that helps to confuse :)
Not to mention the 100's of dollars in software! Ha! So what did you decide?
Here is a camera that no one even suggested and it is not truly a DSLR but it has had nothing but raves and when I replace my little Sony P&S will be what I want and that's the Panasonic Lumix.
They also have larger more DSLR like cameras as well except there is no mirror. (the reflex)
Just an FYI...this will be my next podcast and there's a chance I will record it today and release it tomorrow.
Thx - Marko
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YAY! Thanks Marko! I can't wait to download it and listen.
I still really haven't made up my mind but am leaning heavily to the Nikon d5000.
Interestingly enough I just found out that I'm getting a nice raise at work and over a year's worth of back pay to catch up. So I might be able to get this camera in the next month or so :fingerscr:fingerscr
Okay guys I am going out of my mind with this. I have it narrowed down to two. I think I've made up my mind and then, bang I have second thoughts. I swear that I am spending more time fretting on this one then I did over getting married. It's probably because I know I am buying into a system so once I make that leap then I am committed.
Here are the two:
Nikon d5000
NIKON D5000 W/18-55VR & 55-200VR
Canon Rebel T1i
CANON REBEL T1I W/18-55 EF-S IS
I will most likely be buying from Henry's because of what I heard about the customer service. :)
So the photos I want to take are landscape and animal shots. I would love to be able to get nice photos of birds and animals in motion but may not be possible in this price point. Or maybe it is with the right lens. :wall-an: I also want to play with HDR ('cause I think it's cool).
Canon lenses appear to be cheaper so that's a factor
Nikon has the lense stabilizer and Canon in the body. It may not make any difference in the pictures I take but I keep hearing diff't opinions. Much of the time I will be in the woods so either hand-held or put on something. I can't see me running through the woods with a tripod....(but may change my mind on that)
Canon has 15.1 mp, nikon 12.3. When I look online at direct comparisons, I can't really see a difference. But maybe I would once I printed out?
both weigh about the same and are similar in dimension. Nikon has the cool pop out lcd screen. I love that in my sony.
I care nothing about video.
my preference is to use li-on rechargeable batteries.
UGH! Why is this so hard. and why am i fixate when the money's not even in the bank yet?
can someone help me? I think I need someone to go to the store with me and hold my hand :)
If you don't have any existing lenses the choice is harder.
Both cameras look good to me but you are right, add 15-20% or so for Nikon lenses. Given this fact alone I might go with Canon if I were you.
BUT..... 1,000 bucks is still a lot of money and you need to feel, handle each camera. We all have different sized hands and shoot in different ways.
So at this point....if the extra 15-20% on lenses won't kill you I'd try both cameras and likely buy the canon if it felt the same as the nikon. If the nikon felt better I'd buy the nikon.
Hope that helps - Marko
thank Marko it does. I think I will head in to the camera store and bug a sales rep :)
No it's not. Canon uses Lens stabilisers like Nikon so no decision to be made there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi
Bambi ... simplify this for yourself.
Firstly if price is a factor now and will be later ... go the Canon because of the lenses. That's a simple decision.
Can you live without the movable screen? Yes? Go the Canon.
12 vs 15 mp ...don't even consider this an option unless you think you want to blow the photos up beyond about 20 x 30 inches or think your compositions are so poor you need to crop half the photo away!
Nikon ... slightly better on frames per sec for animals/sport ... but really not enough to influence the decision.
Low light performance ... apparently better on the Nikon ... but again ... not much.
In specs ... I think the Nikon is a slightly better camera here ... but when it comes down to it ... does it really produce better photos. I've seen lousy photos taken with Canon's best ... it's up to you to get that bit right.
My feeling is you would like that 20% saving on lenses in the future and the Rebel will definitely do all you need. Only on rare occasions would the Nikon actually be a real advantage. You'll happy with either camera.
One thing a friend of mine found with his D5000 is that his hand keeps hitting the control on the back of the camera. Mind you he has big hands.
More excellent level headed advice from Marko and MA!!!
The Canon lens selection/variety is good too. for example if i recall correctly in their L line of high end lenses you can choose a 70-200/2.8 or a 70-200/4
I would love Nikon to do that if it would bring their new version down closer to $1500ish- I would consider the f4
Canon also has some lenses (same or similar focal length ranges) in both stabilized and unstabilized versions.
Canon has at least three tilt shift lenses, Nikon only two, neither of which are very wide angle even on full frame. I'm slowly coming to learn that tilt shift lenses are not only for architecture. For example in the last Canadian outdoor photography mag a look at Darwin Wigget's must haves in his bag were all three of the Canon tilt shift lenses.
And so it goes...good variety.
I don't think Canon has a nicely matched trio without overlapping focal lengths like Nikon (14-24, 24-70, 70-200, all at 2.8) but no big deal. That trio costs upwards of $6000 anyways at today's Canadian street prices.
Just because you asked in another post, I use a PentaxK200D...I wouldn't count Pentax out either B. I think it's a great model of camera considering the price...and it has a weather resistant body which is great for me the last few weeks in the cold and snow......not a problem. :)
I just thought I would throw that in as well.. and again, why not try renting a few for a day or two to help you decide if possible? :)
Right, thanks for the kick in the pants MA. You are correct, I will be happy with either one. I just need to go hold them (again) and make my mind up. I don't normally dither but....
I think I know what I'm going to do :lightbulb
"I'll take door number one...No wait...Door number three...No Door number one!" :D
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It's funny because it's true :headslap:
Canon or Nikon. Although there are lots of other good cameras out there, these are the two 800-lb gorillas out there with the professional systems to support whatever you end up wanting to do, photographically.
I have a post that looks into this initial purchase, you might want to check it out.
Good luck!
Andrew
The Discerning Photographer
Yep, Darwin uses all three tilt shift lenses and he uses them to make mini panoramas as well but tilt shift lenses are highly advanced lenses and Darwin makes a living using them.Quote:
Originally Posted by F8&Bthere
Nikon - 5 year Canadian warranty on all lenses.
Just FYI, looks like Futureshop has a 2 day online boxing sale with the Nikon D5000 with kit lens at $699
I've been looking for my first DSLR too, and the DPreview review of the Pentax K-x is absolutely glowing. Not just video, but also in-camera HDR processing (although probably a pretty basic version). And the statement that it's the best low-light performance this side of full frame. And on top of that, US$550 with the kit lens at Amazon. $520 if you sign up for an Amazon Visa card. :-)
On paper this appears to be the best deal, by a good margin. But, it's not a Canon or Nikon, and I just wonder if it makes more sense to stick with the big two.
Somewhere further back in the thread there were some very good arguments for going for the Pentax brand I think.
Frankly, I think that in the pro-sumer market that we are talking about here, its hard to buy something that won't perform really well if you know what you are doing.
I've owned a Pentax as long as I know. I've never regretted not owning an Nikon or Canon. Not for a single moment. A Pentax does the job just as wel... ;)
I somehow found myself immersed in two systems, Pentax and Nikon, and in some ways that sucks. I want to focus my attention and finances on one system, yet I can't seem to find the way to back out of either brand. My point is that I have both and use both, and I've never really felt that anything was lacking with my Pentax kit in comparison to Nikon. As MA says the current crop of DSLRs, regardless of brand name, are all very capable.
Now, if you are wanting to do a lot of travelling light, street photography, or anything where a very compact kit would benefit you, the combination of the Pentax Kx and one of their DA Ltd "pancake" lenses would be an awesome combo.
Good luck in your decision!
IMO, cameras are like dogs, cars or men: there's not one that's right, there's just the one (or two) that are right for you :)
So ... two men huh Bambi? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi