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FusionFoto
09-25-2008, 09:29 AM
Hey, we are talking about the rule of thirds in one of my classes and about how some photographers swear by it and others do not use it as a rule. I was just wondering where you all stood as far as rule of thirds goes?

Marko
09-25-2008, 10:07 AM
For me it's more of a guideline than a rule, but I do use it often.

Sometimes you can put someone/something smack in the middle of a photo and it will work....and in certain cases you almost have to do it (ie formal wedding portraits)...but OFTEN that same portrait would be more dynamic if the rule of thirds was followed more carefully.

tegan
09-25-2008, 10:38 AM
The rule of thirds is part of the elements of design that have been used in teaching art for a very long time, but they are also based on scientific work that has tracked how the eye moves through an image. In some magazines and books there are examples of the same scene shot without regard to the rule of thirds and then according to the rule of thirds and the latter is always more effective.

When you think about it, in many shots you cannot emphasize a centre of interest in a totally balanced photo. In a shot split by the horizon, the eye wanders. In a shot with two thirds sky or two thirds foreground, the eye moves directly to that area and the centre of interest if it is well composed.

So, I think every photographer should pay attention to the rule of thirds and follow it whenever possible in composing a shot. I find the only exceptions are where the location of the photographer or centre of interest limits flexibility in composing a shot. It may for example be a choice of getting the super heavy tourist in the pyramid shot following the rule of thirds or not following the rule of thirds and "cropping" him out of the shot. Of course a good zoom lens can aid composition and avoid some of these kinds of compromises too.

By the way, I get tired of hearing the dumb cliché that rules are made to be broken. When it comes to photography rules are NOT made to be broken, unless it produces a better photo and that is most often not the case.

Tegan

mindforge
09-25-2008, 12:10 PM
As a graphic designer and in art, the rule of thirds has long been a standard guideline that should be used until you decide that the image might look better a different way. You need to know rules before you can break them.

The rule of thirds should be used almost all the time unless for some reason you cannot do it. Taking a wide angle picture from the bottom of the Chrysler Building might be difficult with rule of thirds, but you should try anyway. When cropping pay very close attention to the rule.

These are all rules that can and should be broken when the time is right. You need to have a very strong grasp of the rule of thirds.

For one, there is not just one thing to pay attention to. There is your horizon line... place it at one of the third horizontals, your subject might fall onto a vertical third. Following these rules will force you to move too. It will help improve your photography and design to pay attention to imaginary grids in your composition.

tegan
09-25-2008, 12:55 PM
These are all rules that can and should be broken when the time is right. You need to have a very strong grasp of the rule of thirds..

Time has nothing to do with it. The only important factor is the quality and impact of the photo. The reason a rule of composition exists is because it works to produce a more effective image with impact, assuming the technical quality is already present. The only reason to break it is to produce a BETTER image.

Tegan

mindforge
09-25-2008, 01:37 PM
The only reason to break it is to produce a BETTER image.

Tegan

That is exactly what "when the time is right" means. At least, as I meant it.

tomorrowstreasures
09-25-2008, 07:17 PM
I use it alot and think that anything in odd numbers is good. :)

AcadieLibre
09-27-2008, 01:05 PM
Oh by the way RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN lol, well my two cents anyway. I follow them when they make sense to what I am photographing, and if they don't I don't. There are no hard and fast rules on anything, some people use rules and some don't and many of us swing between the two. I shoot what I want and if it ends up using the rule of thirds so be it, if not and I like the photo I still use it even if it fails to follow any rules.

mindforge
09-27-2008, 03:16 PM
I definitely think a rule should be broken and sometimes to get a great shot you cannot sit and try and compose a shot but we need to be aware of the rules.

If you don't know the rules of composition then you can't break them. Once we understand undeniable rules in art, then knowing that rule we should make a conscious decision to break it.

Again, sometimes when I come into a situation I will fire off a shot or two and then try and compose it. Most my photography is on location, candid, lifestyle photography. Sometimes, I do not have time to compose. But, I find that I have begun to -due to repetition- use the rule of thirds on reflex. It helps to try and always pay attention to other rules of composition too, not just rule of thirds.

In my opinion, it is better to rely on the rule of thirds as a standard when you are taking pictures. The rule of thirds is a very useful too to have to make your photography better.

tegan
10-06-2008, 12:32 PM
I definitely think a rule should be broken and sometimes to get a great shot you cannot sit and try and compose a shot but we need to be aware of the rules.

If you don't know the rules of composition then you can't break them. Once we understand undeniable rules in art, then knowing that rule we should make a conscious decision to break it.

Again, sometimes when I come into a situation I will fire off a shot or two and then try and compose it. Most my photography is on location, candid, lifestyle photography. Sometimes, I do not have time to compose. But, I find that I have begun to -due to repetition- use the rule of thirds on reflex. It helps to try and always pay attention to other rules of composition too, not just rule of thirds.

In my opinion, it is better to rely on the rule of thirds as a standard when you are taking pictures. The rule of thirds is a very useful too to have to make your photography better.

:confused: You start off saying break the rules, end off saying follow them and in between I have no idea what you are trying to say. :confused:

Tegan

aophoto
11-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Yes, I do try to use the rule of thirds in my shots, but one photographer told me that some times it is good to break the rules if they may get you a better shot. But generally I think that rule of thirds will definitely help in creating good composition.

Dwayne Oakes
11-07-2008, 05:46 PM
I never was good at tic-tac-toe. lol

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aophoto
11-07-2008, 06:27 PM
I never was good at tic-tac-toe. lol

http://dwayneoakes.zenfolio.com

Take care Dwayne Oakes

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But you still use the rule of thirds in your photography.

Dwayne Oakes
11-07-2008, 07:28 PM
You are right ! I am just having some fun here. I like to do out of balance
photos once in awhile to keep things interesting.

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Take care Dwayne Oakes